In this episode, Jake Warner chats with Darren Shepherd, co-founder of Rancher Labs, and more recently, Acorn.io. Together, Darren and Jake, discuss the current ecosystem around container orchestration and dive into some of the flaws that exist with how applications are packaged and deployed today. Darren has spent his career writing orchestration systems, first in the IaaS space and then Docker and Kubernetes. He is best known for co-founding Rancher Labs and creating such projects as Rancher, Longhorn, k3s, and many others.