Chainguard co-founder, Kim Lewandowski joins Rob to discuss the ways she presses forward in the fear-driven world of software supply chain security. In any kind of mistake or failure, security breaches have to be something that we can learn from.

On the other hand, particularly during investigation, there are often walls of trust and other factors affecting fully transparent communication. Does this impact our ability to learn? Is there something we have to do differently to get better at it?

Tune in to this episode to hear Kim share valuable insights on how to educate through moments of panic and how to help others focus on the next step.

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